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November 17, 2008

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Ed

I haven't read this yet, buy I have it on hold at the library. I would question if there is a chicken-and-egg effect at work: We analyze successful people after the fact... oh look, Bill Gates had 10,000 hours of programming experience. But aren't there lots of other people who had 10,000 hours under their belt and didn't turn out to be Bill Gates? I think many people could put 20,000 hours into something and still fail. There's more to it.

jeffrey McMahon

That's it exactly. After the fact analysis.

Mike W

That's exactly right, there is an element of "survivor bias" here.

When I was a kid I noticed that many celebrities would get on Johnny Carson, etc., and say their families told them not to go into show business, and at the time I wondered how their relatives could be so short-sighted. Only much later did I realize that for every person who makes it on Carson, there are what - 1,000? 10,000? - who are selling movie tickets or cleaning carpets because they skipped college to become an actor or whatever.

Mike W

I meant "survivorship bias", not "survivor bias".

jeffrey McMahon

I remember as a teen getting teary eyed when Henry Winkler and Kate Jackson gave their inspiring stories of success and hard work. I was such a fool.

Ed

Also, I would say this is in a way a self-selected sample--only the successful filled out the survey.

Ed

This book and others like it sell well because it feeds the American mythos of hard work and success--that there exists a certain formula out there, and if one only follows said rules, then *anyone* can be a world-beater (of course you have to buy this book to find the secret formula is!).

jeffrey McMahon

Americans love formulas. Americans, unlike Europeans, believe ANYTHING can be fixed with the proper know-how. We can be downright annoying sometimes.

Paul

Panasonic RF-2800 in what appears to be great shape, for $100 at ebay item 250327601580. Seller has had 2 negatives and 2 neutrals past 12 months.

Ed

It's been snapped up already, Paul. We gotta stop helping these sellers, unless we get a commission!

Paul

Wow!

Item listed 7:11 pm on ebay. Item mentioned here 7:22 pm. Item sold 7:26 pm!

These are the best types of ebay deals. A good price, and no bidding. I almost always lose out in bidding but have snapped up some nice items which were priced well with a "buy it now".

Paul

Maybe we should have a mailing list for ourselves to point out such deals ... I'm not picky; so if I know for example that you or Jeff or others are interested in a radio, I will not bid so that the price doesn't go up unnecessarily and one of us gets it.

Paul

I went to an estate sale last week. Minutes before I found them, somebody snapped up the following items:

- Kenwood R-5000 receiver, $300.
- Icom IC-R7100 receiver, $175.
- Sangean ATS-803A radio, $15.
- Sony ICF-2001 radio, $5.00.

... and more!

Now, guess what? All of these items are on ebay now. See for instance the seller of items 360107751517 and 360107750064.

Paul

A wonderful radio and a real beauty on ebay: the Philips/Magnavox D2999; item 270304646770. Yet another radio I won't be able to afford!

Ed

I'm half-way through "Outliers" and it's a better book than I originally thought. Gladwell is such a smooth writer. He actually sets out to debunk the Standard American Success Storymodel and scores some good points, some less obvious than others. I like debunkers--much more interesting to read than the bunkers. Take out a library copy.

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