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July 13, 2009

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Tim

Quite a not-so-subtle attack on the ordinary conservative man. You should be more grateful for such men, since this country was not founded by little dapper Dans, nor could it have been. It's unfortunate that you've mockingly twisted "Bro" qualities into vices, but very gently treated the "Metro" type.

Is there no manliness that is virtuous? I dare say that true manliness IS virtuous, and it has none of the effete qualities you've so delicately referred to on the Metro side.

Kind of a lopsided and sickening blog today, Jeff. I guess California culture has gotten to you.

Shorty

Jeff: Just call me a "Bro" who's a latent "Metrosexual." I love the bro life, but have been observed using skin care products. I won't board my full-size pickup to shoot at the range with dry facial skin. I also (surreptitiously) like to learn about other cultures and am a voracious reader. I love puppies too. I am what I am... Am I Bi-Metro?

Jeffrey McMahon

Clearly, this post is an over simplification. There are nuances in between. I have a finicky aesthetic for my home furnishings which is metro but as an avid NFL and MMA fighting fan, I've got the Bro in me as well.

Klerk Kant

Expert analysis of this particularly popular false dichotomy. those who complain about a bias to one side or the other are likely those that identify with one side or the other.

Our need to define ourselves seems to be the source of stereotypes power over us. Could a hipster exist in a vacuum? Could a bro? I, like every other man who reads this, has a little of both. Perhaps, like me, some of you are not so desperate for identity that you do not define yourself as one or the other. Once you do define yourself as one or the other you have effectively separated yourself from the other. A population divided benefits some, but is a detriment to the community on the ground. I was blessed enough to live in Baltimore for a long time, where hipsters and factory workers could drink and talk politics in any one of the thousands of corner bars over a game of pool and a natty boh- grand equalizers and enemies of the stereotype. And big surprise- there are very few disagreements when superficially diverse people who live in the same environment talk to each other without false divisions and stereotypes clouding their mind.

-K "we'ze all the same" K

Jeffrey McMahon

Excellent point: "I was blessed enough to live in Baltimore for a long time, where hipsters and factory workers could drink and talk politics in any one of the thousands of corner bars over a game of pool and a natty boh- grand equalizers and enemies of the stereotype." A true hipster and a true bro can chill with anyone because he is comfortable with himself and this comfort transcends stereotypes.

Tim

In other words, if I disagree, there must be something wrong with me; I have a "bias". So much for your diversity. Why do you presume that a bias is a bad thing anyway? Is truth a bias? Yes, indeed it is, and thank God for it.

The original blog is so filled with stereotypes, it's no longer funny. Why? Because they're predictably in favor of the Metro. Isn't this a bias? In typical modern fashion, the Bro is regarded as a laughable idiot, whereas the Metro is treated as a cute and harmless type. Notice that the Metro remarks often are prefaced by criticisms of the Bro. Yet the reverse is not true. This is just the sort of treatment that conservative men receive nowadays. Unless we're sipping herbal tea, nibbling tofu, or thrilling over someone else's culture, we're deemed egg head throwbacks. Please spare me the relativism.

Ed

Oooo, someone has met his match!

Tim

Who and what are the match?

herculodge

There are endearing portraits of the Bro or the Dude, which we should acknowledge. I'm thinking of one my favorite films The Big Lebowski.

Ed

Tim, I mean you have called Jeff on his statements in this blog, and I have yet to see him make a serious refutation of your charges. (And the shrugging it off as "satire" has worn thin.)Your points are completely valid, Tim. Rhetorically, it looks like Herc has met his match.

herculodge

I have no fire in my belly to defend the stereotype. If one is offended by the stereotype, so be it.

Tim

Thanks, Ed. Yes, I'm waiting for something substantial to be said so I can respond to it. I happen to like debates very much, but they do take two sides that are willing to engage.

Manliness has been misrepresented in this blog as a laughable idiosyncracy. It irks me because this goes on a little too often in liberal America. And if we object to it, we're called angry white males!

By the way, is there something wrong with anger? Is this the next quality the Metros will deny us or deem a dissorder? Righteous anger happens to be a virtuous passion by which a man is enabled to do that which is right but difficult and dangerous. So don't mistake such anger for hatred. It isn't hatred, but energized conviction.

I also disagree with the notion that intelligence is foreign to manliness, that stupity is manly. Absolutely not. On the other hand, would we say that intelligence is notably Metro-ish or feminine? Ahem. Reading good books and being intellectualy sharp are part and parcel of being a true objective virtuous man. Debates, for example, aren't for wimps. Wimps most often run from debates, because their positions - since based more on feelings than reason - are nearly impossible to explain and defend.

So, if some one wants to publish the opinions found on this blog - fine, I'm all for it. You won't get the fairness doctrine rebuke from me, because I DO believe in the free expression of differing viewpoints. But such persons should realize that others might strongly disagree with them, and call them out for a manly exchange of ideas.

herculodge

I do find manliness and affectations of it to be humorous. Of course one can be manly and smart. I did not mean for readers to infer such from my Man Points post.

Regarding the Bro vs. Metrosexual, the latter could have been improved had I been as severe on his type as I was on the Bro. That was a weakness in the post. If I were to rewrite it, I'd be as scathing on the affectations of the hipster.

Tim

Well, we're waiting for the next edition, Jeff.

Mike W

"The Greeks are lovers of the beautiful, yet simple in our tastes, and we cultivate the mind without loss of manliness."

--Thucydides

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