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January 15, 2013

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Tom Welch

Screw him, he has hurt a lot of people

Ulysses

A few months ago when the rumours started circulating again, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and defended him. It went something along the lines of ordinary people not being able to tolerate great people in their midst. I still think that is true, but I am still surprised about Armstrong. He survived cancer which one would think was a humbling experience if nothing else, yet instead of being grateful for having survived he decided he would lie, cheat and steal medals after he recovered. I just don't get it.

Ed

In spite of Armstrong's personal failings, there was some positive fallout, as his livestrong foundation did help many people. (Sort of like saying Mussolini made the trains run on time, I know, but still...)

Angelo

A couple things----one, what is the issue with Griffey, Jr.? Everything I've read and heard about him makes him seem like a humble guy who had awful injury problems and didn't take steroids to recover faster or avoid future injuries----it's been said he was the best HR hitter of his era who didn't take steroids. Regarding Armstrong----do we even know for sure that his cancer wasn't CAUSED by the hormones he was shooting up? If you look at the timeline----it appears he was probably taking the banned substances before the cancer diagnosis. Oh, and reportedly, his "Livestrong" foundation is ultra top-heavy-----one of those charities where there are so many "expenses" that by the time the money reaches those in need----it's pennies on the dollar.

Angelo

He's going to blast the sport with dynamite. His "tell all" is going to make Jose Canseco look like Mother Theresa. He fired his first shots already----talking about how if they take his 7 yellow shirts, the 2nd place finishers won't be eligible either. Apparently, the entire sport is corrupt.

Tom Welch

Yes, cycling is corrupt. I met Mother Theresa back the 1970s when she came to Los Angeles. I'm with you Angelo.

Ed

Looked at objectively, sports are merely kid's game played by bigger kids, so what's the big effin deal? It's just guys riding bicycles, after all. Fans get way too wrapped up in the vicarious aspect of it anyway.

Bill Bush

People are bad enough about doing ego-satisfaction over ethics, but stir in some money and you can be sure corruption will enter in. There is cheating in most any competition, but the higher the dollar stakes become, the more sure you can be that it is there. Look at college athletics. Look at horse racing. Look at the stock market. Look at contract bids. Look at banking. Look at testing. Look at drug company studies. If we are not vigilant, we can expect more Lances. In fact, we already have them. Those are just the observable facts and their implications. But rest assured, somebody is getting a dollar out of it.

Keith Beesley

I can still admire Lance for recovering from the big "C" and staying in the game; and for starting "livestrong.com". But, he's also a cheater and a liar. Nobody's perfect :-).

Angelo

Keith: I agree. But if "juicing" planted the seeds to grow the cancer....I'm not sure what to think of it all. No, none of us are perfect. But I also believe that if I did something like this----I don't think I'd have it in me to lie about it for so many years. I think I would have come clean much earlier and asked forgiveness. I wonder if that's a weakness on my part and a big strength for him----being ruthless enough to live a lie all these years and smile at the camera as he was telling it? Most of us don't have the stomach for that---I couldn't sleep at night.

Shawn

Lance was the best cycling during this time. He did exactly what everyone else was doing, thus it was still a level playing field.

However, what Lance did by destroying the careers of many other cyclists is damnable through his lawyers and media contacts.

So no forgiveness for Lance.

Angelo

Shawn: The thing is---if there were even a FEW cyclists not juicing at that time----a percentage as low as 5%-----then we don't know for SURE that he was really the best. We also don't know if the steroids he was taking were better than what others had access to----or if for some reason, his system tolerated MORE steroids or stronger ones----that's why we can't trust results when cheating is involved and it's why we can't say with certainty that it was really a level playing field. They have the rules for a reason, even if enforcement was a joke. It's why I'll never consider Barry Bonds to be the home run king. Hank Aaron is still the man as far as I'm concerned.

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