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February 14, 2013

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KI6H

Jalopnik talked to the tow company who said the battery was as dead as Caesar when they picked it up. http://jalopnik.com/towing-company-the-nyt-tesla-model-s-was-dead-when-it-196100064

And Peter Valdes-Dapena of CNN is trying to nurse a Tesla from DC to Boston: https://twitter.com/PeterDrives

Angelo

Also, how do they log data? Did the article explain that? I didn't see it. Why would the NY Times try to make EVs look bad? What would the motive be? If there is a way that Tesla can definitively prove that the writer lied to make the car look bad----this writer should be blackballed by the entire industry. But until that time----my gut feeling is that the car did run out of power.

Gary

More on the same subject.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1174231-tesla-magnifying-rather-than-quelling-range-anxiety?source=yahoo

Doug T.

Indeed, a careful reading of the data presented by Musk in the Tesla Motor's link tends to back up the account of NYT's Broder.

See http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/02/elon-musks-data-doesnt-back-his-claims-new-york-times-fakery/62149/

I must admit that I am losing respect for Tesla fast.

Gary

The Wall Street Journal on the New York Times vs. Tesla incident.

http://live.wsj.com/video/opinion-new-york-times-vs-tesla/2EE13E02-9685-40F2-B99C-FB8462903C42.html#!1D534AB4-7456-436B-A52E-6949785FFF7A

Michael Brent

The other night I pulled into my local Luckys grocery store into a spot next to what I later found out was a brand new Tesla model S. A truly exotic looking car. Pure white, low slung and looking like it could go 180 miles An hour.
Coming out of the store behind me was the owner so naturally I asked him about his car.
He tells me all about what a cool car it is and I eventually ask him how far it will go between charges. He tells me this one will go 200 miles and that he didn’t want to spend the extra money for the battery that will go 300 miles.
Finally he jumped in it and drove away silently.
I come home and Google it and see that this bad boy cost around $61,000. Apparently this thing can go from a standing start to 60 mph in 4 seconds but this guy can’t drive from the San Francisco bay area where I live to Lake Tahoe 230 miles away.
Im trying to understand the appeal of a $61,000 car that looks like a Maserati but in practical terms because of its range is more suitable for grocery shopping and picking up the kids from school. I mean I really don’t understand the appeal. Again it looked fantastic but so do a lot of $61,000 cars.
This thing really looked like it would go 180 mph and I guess it will, for about an hour.
I know electric cars don’t burn fossil fuel so they’re saving the earth and everything but you can do that with a Prius.

Bill

Electric cars do burn fossil fuel, if that's where your electricity comes from. Around my home an electric car would be coal-fired, which is not exactly pollution free, shall we say. On the other hand they have some theoretical advantages in the efficiency department, as I understand it, since an electric motor isn't a heat engine and avoids some of the thermodynamics to which a heat engine is subject- slap me if I'm being ignorant here.

One thing I do like about electric cars is they have built-in fuel flexibility. Right now a car around here would be coal-fired, but as new power plants come online the electric car automatically switches over to natural gas-fired, or solar, or hydro, whatever the power grid uses. That's a neat trick!

But as always the problem with electrics is the battery. No battery on the market today holds enough power per pound/cubic foot or recharges fast enough to work as well as gasoline in your tank. Batteries don't work well, didn't work well a hundred years ago and haven't improved hugely since. The guy who comes up with a car battery that recharges in five or ten minutes, let alone stores enough energy to go more than 250 miles or so, can write his own paycheck for life.

Ed

That man's name was Thomas Edison. Somehow the electic cars he made 80 years ago enabled him and Henry Ford to go on trips from Detroit to Florida every Summer and winter.

Lite Cubes

Not sure who to believe but the fact is the tesla is not ready for the average commuter/driver. Its an amazing piece of technology but its too limited. 10 years from now things will be different.

Bill

Ed, I hadn't known Edison and Ford worked together on electric vehicles. Thanks for telling me.

Here's an article on the car they built: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/henry-ford-thomas-edison-ev/

This claims the car had a range of 50 to 100 miles. Somewhere else I stumbled across that an Edison car in Britain did 170 miles on a charge- a century ago. Seems, as I said, the battery technology has always held the electric cars back.

Yeah, you could easily drive from the north to Florida in a car with a 170 mile range. You could do it in a car with a 10 mile range if you had to. It's just a matter of recharging it often enough.

Interestingly enough a couple other articles I stumbled across said that the Edison nickel iron battery may be the ticket. If the article I linked to is correct Edison couldn't get it to work well enough to drive a car at the time, which led indirectly to the death of Ford's electric vehicle program. (Ford was a great admirer of Edison and wanted to use his batteries. When he found out his workers hadn't been able to get themto work and had substituted standard lead-acid types, he blew his top.) With application of some modern tweaks they might be able to get the nickel-iron battery to charge and discharge very fast, which is good. If it can discharge fast, it can provide all the power it needs to when it needs to. If it can charge fast, you can fill 'er up at the Juice Station as practically as you can with gasoline now.

'Course they are apparently grafting nanotubes into Edison's battery to get it to charge that fast. Edison didn't have nanotubes. Edison did, however, have Edison, so one wonders whether he would have found a way to work out the bugs if he'd kept at it back then.

Of course the man DID have one or two other ideas on his mind, from time to time. :)

Gary

Here's a new Nissan parallel hybrid design. The video is pretty cool.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2013/02/nissan-20130220.html

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