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September 16, 2013

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Ed S

Why do wine and watch lovers not suffer the same level of approbation as audiophiles?
If I tell people I spent more than $5000 on my audio system, they look at me like I have two heads.

herculodge

The watch hobby is cheap compared to expensive stereo equipment. Can't that go up to 30K for a top of the line system?

Gary

Actually, some high end speakers cost $100 K per pair, not to mention the rest of the system.

Angelo

Proceed with caution though. I remember from my marketing class, a study in consumer stupidity. A low priced perfume was introduced back in the 1970s and didn't catch on----didn't do well at all in fact. We were told that the company "made a change" and it then sold much better. What was the change? A woman in the class guessed that they improved the formula---to make it smell better or last longer. Wrong. I guessed that they changed the packaging---a more unique bottle or classier looking box. Wrong. What did they do? The only change was that they raised the price and it went from selling at discount stores to selling in department stores. The perfume and its packaging, name, etc., were exactly the same. The higher pricing made people believe they were buying something better.

Gary

Of course, if you own 30 mid-priced ($500) watches, you've still got $15 K tied up.

StarHalo

I've drank enough of the top-shelf craft beer that even Sierra Nevada is a difficult step down, but I compromise to economize..

And beer is only a cheap hobby for that evening; $10 a sixer over time isn't fun.

Bill

"You get what you pay for" is not just a lie, it's a stupid lie. Do I get the upscale real estate the fancy store occupies? Do I get the Jamaican vacation the salesman's going to buy with the extra money I wasted?

It's not what you pay that matters, it's what you get.

Sometimes the product itself might not be worth what you paid for it, but the name brand's customer service makes up for it. Sometimes you're just being taken for a ride. If you spend a hundred times more for something than it would take to buy a modest, serviceable version of the same thing, you're obviously looking to impress somebody (perhaps yourself?) with how much you could afford to spend, and the makers of luxury goods are more than willing to help you.

Not that you shouldn't buy that super-expensive watch or exotic car if you can afford it and if that's what you really want. It may even be Manly to do so. But there are a lot of good products out there that don't have such a huge luxury markup. If you didn't know this watch cost ten times what that one did, would it really look any better to you? If you judge that something less expensive is as good or better, isn't trusting your own judgment Manly too?

jonnybardo

I agree, Angelo. Companies like Panerai raise prices on watches, which actually helps owners because the re-sell value also increases, but I cannot help but wonder what the "real" value of a Panerai is compared to, say, an Oris.

I mean, I don't doubt increase in quality. I've seen the difference between a $100, $300, $500, $1K, and $3K watches. But at some point the curve shows diminished increase in PERCEIVABLE quality, while prices continue to rocket. For me the key is finding the "sweetspots" and watches that represent good value for the price they cost - value in terms of the quality of the build, design, movement, etc.

StarHalo, I agree. I prefer the $12 6-packs, or better yet the $12 4-packs, or even better a fresh IPA on tap (the best I ever had was Russian River Brewery's Pliny the Elder on tap at the brewery in Santa Rosa). But Sierra Nevada represents a decent beer that is widely available. If there's nothing better available, I can know that a Sierra Nevada won't be a bad beer.

Bill, you bring up a good point that I think Jeff and I have talked about - how perceived value and price tag impacts desire. Its hard to look at a $10K Panerai completely objectively. I mean, I love them but I can't say I love them more than, say, my Orient Saturation Diver. Is it a better watch? More beautifully designed? I cannot say.

Ed

Come on, get real: all beer tastes like weasel piss. Not that I ever drank any weasel piss!

herculodge

I only like cold porter with pesto pizza, but I never indulge because if I did I'd weight over 300 pounds.

StarHalo

Ed, we were all there at one time, staring at the Bud/Miller/Coors on the store shelf that somehow tasted the same; try a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and get back to us.

Angelo

I'm not a beer snob by any means----Jonny and I have discussed this before---I have Genny Cream Ale in my garage fridge right now! But I remember one beer I liked, that's become almost impossible to find. I think Total Wine & Beer gets in a small shipment every now and then...Lowenbrau. I think the original Lowenbrau was German. Then there was a U.S. version in the 1970s. The one I've been trying to find lately----I think is an import again. The version I remember is the American version and it was good, at least to my taste buds. But I hear the import version is better. I'd love to find some to buy!

StarHalo

Angelo, check out RateBeer or BeerAdvocate to locate some of the more serious bottle shops in your area; good luck beer hunting!

Ed

Getting back to you Starhalo: tried the vaunted Sierra Nevada Pale Ale in bottles. IMHO, no differnt than mass-market beer. A wasted $8.99. Think you've been had by bs marketing phrases like "Purest ingredients" and "whole cone hops" (wtf?). Still weasel piss my friend. Bet you couldn't identify it in a blind tasting. Next?

Angelo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm7uX1DjmrY

Here you go Ed. I bet you'd like one of these. I know I would.

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